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"state_key": "",
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"state_key": "",
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"content": {
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"content": {
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"join_rule": "public",
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"join_rule": "public",
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"allowed_join": [
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"allow": [
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{
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{
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"space": "!mods:example.org",
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"space": "!mods:example.org",
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"via": ["example.org"],
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"via": ["example.org"],
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}
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}
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```
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```
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XXX: would it be better to put it in a separate event? Doing so would probably
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The `allow` key applies a restriction to the `public` join rule, so that
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require us to come up with a new `join_rule` state to tell servers to go and
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look for the allowed spaces.
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The `allowed_join` key applies a restriction to the `public` join rule, so that
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only users satisfying one or more of the requirements should be allowed to
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only users satisfying one or more of the requirements should be allowed to
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join. Additionally, users who have received an explicit `invite` event are
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join. Additionally, users who have received an explicit `invite` event are
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allowed to join<sup id="a2">[2](#f2)</sup>. If the `allowed_join` key is an
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allowed to join<sup id="a2">[2](#f2)</sup>. If the `allow` key is an
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empty list (or not a list at all), no users are allowed to join without an
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empty list (or not a list at all), no users are allowed to join without an
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invite.
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invite.
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@ -472,13 +468,13 @@ permitted if the user has a valid invite or is in one of the listed spaces
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XXX: redacting the join_rules above will reset the room to public, which feels dangerous?
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XXX: redacting the join_rules above will reset the room to public, which feels dangerous?
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A new room version is not absolutely required here, but may be advisable to
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A new room version is not absolutely required here, but may be advisable to
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ensure that servers that do not support `allowed_join` do not join the room
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ensure that servers that do not support `allow` do not join the room
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(and would also allow us to tweak the redaction rules to avoid the foot-gun).
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(and would also allow us to tweak the redaction rules to avoid the foot-gun).
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#### Kicking users out when they leave the allowed space
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#### Kicking users out when they leave the allowed space
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XXX: this will probably be a future extension, rather than part of the initial
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XXX: this will probably be a future extension, rather than part of the initial
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implementation of `allowed_join`.
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implementation of `allow`.
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In the above example, suppose `@bob:server.example` leaves `!users:example.org`:
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In the above example, suppose `@bob:server.example` leaves `!users:example.org`:
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they should be removed from the room. One option is to leave the departure up
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they should be removed from the room. One option is to leave the departure up
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send message traffic to it).
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send message traffic to it).
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Instead, we make the removal the responsibility of the room's admin bot (see
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Instead, we make the removal the responsibility of the room's admin bot (see
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above): the bot is expected to peek into any spaces in `allowed_join` and kick
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above): the bot is expected to peek into any spaces in `allow` and kick
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any users who are members of the room and leave the union of the allowed
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any users who are members of the room and leave the union of the allowed
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spaces.
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spaces.
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(XXX: should users in a space be kicked when that space is removed from the
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(XXX: should users in a space be kicked when that space is removed from the
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`allowed_join` list? We think not, by analogy with what happens when you switch
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`allow` list? We think not, by analogy with what happens when you switch
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the join rules from `public` to `invite`.)
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the join rules from `public` to `invite`.)
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One problem here is that it will lead to users who joined via an invite being
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One problem here is that it will lead to users who joined via an invite being
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kicked. For example:
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kicked. For example:
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* `@bob:server.example` creates an invite-only room.
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* `@bob:server.example` creates an invite-only room.
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* Later, the `join_rules` are switched to `public`, with an `allowed_join` of
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* Later, the `join_rules` are switched to `public`, with an `allow` of
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`!users:example.org`, of which Bob happens to be a member.
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`!users:example.org`, of which Bob happens to be a member.
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* Later still, Bob leaves `!users:example.org`.
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* Later still, Bob leaves `!users:example.org`.
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* Bob is kicked from his own room.
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* Bob is kicked from his own room.
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help. but it's unclear what the desired semantics are:
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help. but it's unclear what the desired semantics are:
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* Assuming that users in a given space are *not* kicked when that space is
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* Assuming that users in a given space are *not* kicked when that space is
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removed from `allowed_join`, are those users then given a pass to remain
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removed from `allow`, are those users then given a pass to remain
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in the room indefinitely? What happens if the space is added back to
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in the room indefinitely? What happens if the space is added back to
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`allowed_join` and *then* the user leaves it?
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`allow` and *then* the user leaves it?
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* Suppose a user joins a room via a space (SpaceA). Later, SpaceB is added to
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* Suppose a user joins a room via a space (SpaceA). Later, SpaceB is added to
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the `allowed_join` list and SpaceA is removed. What should happen when the
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the `allow` list and SpaceA is removed. What should happen when the
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user leaves SpaceB? Are they exempt from the kick?
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user leaves SpaceB? Are they exempt from the kick?
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#### Alternatives
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#### Alternatives
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participating in the room), which feels a bit grim. We could have multiple
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participating in the room), which feels a bit grim. We could have multiple
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admin bots to mitigate this, but it gets a bit messy.
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admin bots to mitigate this, but it gets a bit messy.
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* Change the way that `allowed_join` and invites interact, so that an invite
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* Change the way that `allow` and invites interact, so that an invite
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does not exempt you from the `allowed_join` requirements. This would be
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does not exempt you from the `allow` requirements. This would be
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simpler to implement, but probably doesn't match the expected UX.
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simpler to implement, but probably doesn't match the expected UX.
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* Put the `allow` rules in a separate event? This is attractive because
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`join_rules` are involved in event auth and hence state resolution, and the
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fewer events that state res has to grapple with the better. However, doing
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this would probably require us to come up with a new `join_rule` state to
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tell servers to go and look for the allowed spaces.
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## Future extensions
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## Future extensions
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The following sections are not blocking parts of this proposal, but are
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The following sections are not blocking parts of this proposal, but are
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server could lie about the space membership and add an
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server could lie about the space membership and add an
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`@evil_user:example.org`.
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`@evil_user:example.org`.
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* The `allowed_join` feature places increased trust in the servers in the
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* The `allow` feature for `join_rules` places increased trust in the servers in the
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room. We consider this acceptable: if you don't want evil servers randomly
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room. We consider this acceptable: if you don't want evil servers randomly
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joining spurious users into your rooms, then a) don't let evil servers in
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joining spurious users into your rooms, then a) don't let evil servers in
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your room in the first place, b) don't use `allowed_join` lists, given the
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your room in the first place, b) don't use `allow` lists, given the
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expansion increases the attack surface anyway by letting members in other
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expansion increases the attack surface anyway by letting members in other
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rooms dictate who's allowed into your room.
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rooms dictate who's allowed into your room.
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@ -640,7 +642,7 @@ Proposed final identifier | Purpose | Development identifier
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`m.space.parent` | event type | `org.matrix.msc1772.space.parent`
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`m.space.parent` | event type | `org.matrix.msc1772.space.parent`
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`m.room.power_level_mappings` | event type | `org.matrix.msc1772.room.power_level_mappings`
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`m.room.power_level_mappings` | event type | `org.matrix.msc1772.room.power_level_mappings`
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`auto_users` | key in `m.room.power_levels` event | `org.matrix.msc1772.auto_users`
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`auto_users` | key in `m.room.power_levels` event | `org.matrix.msc1772.auto_users`
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`allowed_join` | key in `m.room.join_rules` event | `org.matrix.msc1772.allowed_join`
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`allow` | key in `m.room.join_rules` event | `org.matrix.msc1772.allow`
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## History
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## History
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