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# Proposal for Matrix "spaces" (formerly known as "groups as rooms (take 2)")
6 years ago
This obsoletes [MSC1215](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/1215).
## Background and objectives
Collecting rooms together into groups is useful for a number of
purposes. Examples include:
* Allowing users to discover different rooms related to a particular topic:
for example "official matrix.org rooms".
* Allowing administrators to manage permissions across a number of rooms: for
example "a new employee has joined my company and needs access to all of our
rooms".
* Letting users classify their rooms: for example, separating "work" from
"personal" rooms.
We refer to such collections of rooms as "spaces".
Synapse and Element-Web currently implement an unspecced "groups" API which
attempts to provide this functionality (see
[matrix-doc#1513](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/1513)). This
API has some serious issues:
* It is a large API surface to implement, maintain and spec - particularly for
all the different clients out there.
* Much of the API overlaps significantly with mechanisms we already have for
managing rooms:
* Tracking membership identity
* Tracking membership hierarchy
* Inviting/kicking/banning user
* Tracking key/value metadata
* There are membership management features which could benefit rooms which
would also benefit groups and vice versa (e.g. "auditorium mode")
* The current implementations on Riot Web/iOS/Android all suffer bugs and
issues which have been solved previously for rooms.
* no local-echo of invites
* failures to set group avatars
* ability to specify multiple admins
* It doesn't support pushing updates to clients (particularly for flair
membership): https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/5235
* It doesn't support third-party invites.
* Groups could benefit from other features which already exist today for rooms
* e.g. Room Directories
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* Groups are centralised, rather than being replicated across all
participating servers.
In this document, the existing implementation will be referred to as
"`/r0/groups`".
This proposal suggests a new approach where spaces are themselves represented
by rooms, rather than a custom first-class entity. This requires few server
changes, other than better support for peeking (see Dependencies below). The
existing `/r0/groups` API would be deprecated in Synapse and remain
unspecified.
## Proposal
Each space is represented by its own room, known as a "space-room". The rooms
within the space are determined by state events within the space-room.
Spaces are referred to primarily by their alias, for example
`#foo:matrix.org`.
Space-rooms are distinguished from regular messaging rooms by the `m.room.type`
of `m.space` (see [MSC1840](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/1840)).
4 years ago
We introduce an `m.space.child` state event type, which defines the rooms
within the space. The `state_key` is an alias for a child room, and `present:
true` key is included to distinguish from a deleted state event. Something
like:
```json
{
"type": "m.space.child",
"state_key": "#room1:example.com",
"contents": {
"present": true
}
}
{
"type": "m.space.child",
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"state_key": "#room2:example.com",
"contents": {
"present": true,
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"autojoin": true // TODO: what does this mean?
}
}
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// no longer a child room
{
"type": "m.space.child",
"state_key": "#oldroom:example.com",
"contents": {}
}
```
Space-rooms may have `m.room.name` and `m.room.topic` state events in the same
way as a normal room.
Normal messages within a space-room are discouraged (but not blocked by the
server): user interfaces are not expected to have a way to enter or display
such messages.
### Membership of spaces
Users can be members of spaces (represented by `m.room.member` state events as
normal). Depending on the configuration of the space (in particular whether
`m.room.history_visibility` is set to `world_readable` or otherwise),
membership of the space may be required to view the room list, membership list,
etc.
"Public" or "community" spaces would be set to `world_readable` to allow clients
to see the directory of rooms within the space by peeking into the space-room
(thus avoiding the need to add `m.room.member` events to the event graph within
the room).
Join rules, invites and 3PID invites work as for a normal room.
### Long description
We would like to allow groups to have a long description using rich
formatting. This will use a new state event type `m.room.description` (with
empty `state_key`) whose content is the same format as `m.room.message` (ie,
contains a `msgtype` and possibly `formatted_body`).
TODO: this could also be done via pinned messages. Failing that
`m.room.description` should probably be a separate MSC.
### Inheritance of power-levels
TODO
### Automated joins/leaves
TODO
## Future extensions
The following sections are not blocking parts of this proposal, but are
included as a useful reference for how we imagine it will be extended in future.
### Sub-spaces
Questions to be answered here include:
* Should membership of a sub-space grant any particular access to the parent
space, or vice-versa? We might need to extend `m.room.history_visibility` to
support more flexibility; fortunately this is not involved in event auth so
does not require new room versions.
* What happens if somebody defines a cycle? (It's probably fine, but anything
interpreting the relationships needs to be careful to limit recursion.)
### Restricting access to the spaces membership list
In the existing `/r0/groups` API, the group server has total control over the
visibility of group membership, as seen by a given querying user. In other
words, arbitrary users can see entirely different views of a group at the
server's discretion.
Whilst this is very powerful for mapping arbitrary organisational structures
into Matrix, it may be overengineered. Instead, the common case is (we believe)
a space where some users are publicly visible as members, and others are not.
One way to of achieving this would be to create a separate space for the
private members - e.g. have `#foo:matrix.org` and `#foo-private:matrix.org`.
`#foo-private:matrix.org` is set up with `m.room.history_visibility` to not to
allow peeking; you have to be joined to see the members.
### Flair
("Flair" is a term we use to describe a small badge which appears next to a
user's displayname to advertise their membership of a space.)
The flair image for a group is given by the room avatar. (In future it might
preferable to use hand-crafted small resolution images: see
[matrix-doc#1778](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/1778).
One way this might be implemented is:
* User publishes the spaces they wish to announce on their profile
([MSC1769](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/1769)
as an `m.flair` state event: it lists the spaces which they are advertising.
* When a client wants to know the current flair for a set of users (i.e.
those which it is currently displaying in the timeline), it peeks the
profile rooms of those users. (Ideally there would be an API to support
peeking multiple rooms at once to facilitate this.)
* The client must check that the user is *actually* a member of the advertised
spaces. Nominally it can do this by peeking the membership list of the
space; however for efficiency we could expose a dedicated Client-Server API
to do this check (and both servers and clients can cache the results fairly
aggressively.)
## Dependencies
* [MSC1840](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/1840) for room
types.
* [MSC1776](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/1776) for
effective peeking over the C/S API.
* [MSC1777](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/1777) (or similar)
for effective peeking over Federation.
6 years ago
These dependencies are shared with profiles-as-rooms
([MSC1769](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/1769)).
## Security considerations
* The peek server has significant power. TODO: expand.
## Tradeoffs
* If the membership of a space would be large (for example: an organisation of
several thousand people), this membership has to copied entirely into the
room, rather than querying/searching incrementally.
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* If the membership list is based on an external service such as LDAP, it is
hard to keep the space membership in sync with the LDAP directory. In
practice, it might be possible to do so via a nightly "synchronisation" job
which searches the LDAP directory, or via "AD auditing".
* No allowance is made for exposing different 'views' of the membership list to
different querying users. (It may be possible to simulate this behaviour
using smaller spaces).
## Unstable prefix
While this proposal is not in a published version of the specification,
implementations should use `org.matrix.msc1772` to represent the `m`
namespace. For example, `m.space.child` becomes
`org.matrix.msc1772.space.child`.
## History
6 years ago
* This replaces MSC1215: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZnAuA_zti-K2-RnheXII1F1-oyVziT4tJffdw1-SHrE
* Other thoughts that led into this are at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hljmD-ytdCRL37t-D_LvGDA3a0_2MwowSPIiZRxcabs